Module 8248

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Module 8248

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I've figured out what this module does :thumbup:

A little challenge, does anyone know where this is located and it's function? The electrical screwdriver is shown to give some idea of scale, the module is ~45 x 45 mm, with a 6 pin connector. Clue - there is NO RELAY in the box.

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Re: Module 8248

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located by the flasher cpu?
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Re: Module 8248

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Yep :thumbup:
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Re: Module 8248

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Operates the Fuel Pump?
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Re: Module 8248

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Waaaaay off Pete ;)

I'll give it another couple of days and reveal what I've found :D
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Re: Module 8248

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Coolant level sensor....... what do I win?!

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Re: Module 8248

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And we have a winner :clap: - but no prize :D

I'll post up some pics later and explain a little bit about how I think it works. TBH, it seems an overly complicated module for a simple function, which is odd for a car manufacturer who must be trying to shave off costs wherever possible.
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Re: Module 8248

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Here's some more gen on this module. If faulty, there should not be difficult to replace any faulty component, there's nothing exotic in there.

Here's the PCB inside:
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and this is my tracing of the circuitry:
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As far as I can work out, the basic operation of the circuit is as follows:

When the coolant level switch in the radiator is closed, the string of transistors; Q3, Q4, Q5, Q6 and Q7 are switched off, so no current flows through Q7 and the 1.4w lamp in the instrument cluster will be off.

When the coolant level drops, the switch goes open and Q1/Q2 provide a square wave voltage output (at collector of Q2, R4, R5) which slowly charges C4, switching on Q3/Q4, this slowly charges the large C6 capacitor (220 microfarads) and this then switches on Q5/Q6 and then Q7.

The charging of the capacitors delays the switching of Q7 for bout 12 seconds, so avoiding the coolant warning lamp from illuminating if the coolant is sloshing around, or forced to one side whilst cornering.

The diode, centre right of the diagram had me puzzled for a moment, then I realised that it is there to provide a lamp test function when the ignition is switched on, via the “Reg.L” connector.

I thought it worth recording this on here for posterity, as I couldn't find out much about this module on a quick internet search.

The "measure" pin on the connector (that's what is screen printed on the PCB) isn't connected, so it may provide a test point when the boards are checked by the manufacturer.
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Re: Module 8248

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And here is the relevant wiring diagram, for reference:

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Re: Module 8248

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bloody hell, that looks unnecessarily complicated.... great work Malcolm! Surely they could come up with something simpler and more cost effective than that.

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